Welcome to On the Couch, a new political podcast from Reaction and broadcaster and psychotherapist Lucy Beresford. In each episode, Lucy is joined by a special guest to take a deep dive into the relationships making the headlines in politics today and explore the psychology of so much in political life.

This week, Lucy Beresford is joined by John Rentoul, chief political commentator for The Independent. They discuss political downfalls — in particular, Boris Johnson’s — and how the personality traits (such as ambition and risk-taking) that help politicians rise to the top are often the very same traits that lead to their demise.

Enjoyed this episode with Lucy Beresford and John Rentoul? Listen to previous episodes of On the Couch here.